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TEAMGREEN
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Make the hole bigger weld a piece of rod in it and drill some holes.I gotta mill 
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olde rigger
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Engine hoists |
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Once I remove and re-install all of the stringers and raised floor, I will remove all of the peeling urethane to see how much work the veneer will need. The port and starboard side two piece laminate gunnels have separated and I will need to slowly bring them back together and then glue them with water proof glue (see below):
Polyurethane Glues - A long open time, one-part system, polyurethanes are simple and easy to use. It is ideal for laminations of pourous materials. Polyurethanes are water proof, but moistening the surface before adhering aids in curing.
Pros: cheaper than epoxies, easy to clean up, water resistant, one-part, easy to use
Cons: stains skin (gloves suggested), excess glue needs to chiseled out, more expensive than "Yellow Glues", requires moist substrates
Examples: Gorilla Glue, System Three Glue, Titebond HiPURformer
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napabob,
Your project is pretty cool, I really like the hemi too.
Just a note to you about bonding the wood back together. When my son was building his wood boat last year for his high school senior project, he started out using gorilla glue. Every bond, that was under stress, failed. That stuff IMHO, is crap and I wrote the maker of it and told him so. One of his reps and I went back and forth a few time with emails and they finally ADMITTED that they weren't sure if using it on a boat was the best choice.
We seperated every bond didn't already come apart and switched over to 2 part epoxy. That stuff is amazing. I hope you look into using it on your boat too. You'll only have to do it once and the price has come down quite a bit. We started out with the west system but I didnn't want to have to hock our youngest child to finish the boat so we switched over to a brand called 'MAS'. I'd give it a 10 on any scale. It's got a great beat you can dance to. And it's sold in all the regular boat places.
Remember, you probably already know this, when you're working on the deck, never glass over the hard wood, only the plywood.
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napabob
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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Location: Napa, CA
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: MACHINE MILLING |
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TEAMGREEN,
Thanks for the offer,
I was thinking that I would have those holes fill welded then re-drilled.
The guy that I bought the HEMI form is a local retired machinist and v-drive enthusiast. He has offered to help me with some repairs or fabrication of items that I will need for the restoration.
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napabob
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:28 am Post subject: Adhesives and veneer finishing |
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Olde Rigger,
Thanks for the heads up on the adhesive selections.
The mahogany deck, riser, and gunnels have a urethane finish as described by the other boat owner. There is a very fine fiberglass mesh that you can see in the pieces of finish that I have pulled off the boat. I have talked to a company that can supply me with replacement veneer if needed, but for experimental purposes, I can use an inexpensive door skin of Lauan to practice the application process.
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1975 Spectra 18
1978 454 Harman Marine Chevrolet
Jacuzzi 12WJ/B
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1963 Sanger Dragster 17'-10"
1958 392 Chrysler HEMI model 58C
Hall Craft v-drive and 71C 1:1 Velvet transmission |
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olde rigger
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the fine mesh is called 'deck cloth'. It goes only on the plywood, or veneer.
My friend that has a repair shop has been doing 'wood' deck boats for guys with this really thin veneer. I've never seen anything so thin. It's fairly new on the market. What he's done for customers is glued this stuff down on a glass deck boat, mostly cruisers like my spectra 20. I thought it would have looked pretty dopey, but I have to admit it looked beautiful.
This is a material that you could use over the plywood on your boat if the ply is still solid. The right way of course is to rip off the deck and re-do it with mahogany ply. Not for the faint of heart. lol
Every piece of wood on your deck should be covered with that 2 part epoxy, imho. Then of course painted or cleared or what ever the finish is going to be. It'll out last you if done the right way. It's what all the wood boat guys use too. Very cool stuff and extremely easy to work with. Although the work time is not like regular resin. We used the slo catalist and we had to hump it.  |
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napabob
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Fiber Glass |
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olde rigger,
Thanks for the information on the 'deck cloth'.
Still gathering hardware to convert the engine to marine use.
Bob
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1975 Spectra 18
1978 454 Harman Marine Chevrolet
Jacuzzi 12WJ/B
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1963 Sanger Dragster 17'-10"
1958 392 Chrysler HEMI model 58C
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napabob
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: 1958 392 HEMI |
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I just picked up this part. Will see if the ring gear is in usable shape. There are services that will replace the ring gear if you provide the flywheel.
This flywheel is for sale (146 tooth ring gear). Replaced by the all aluminum flywheel.
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1975 Spectra 18
1978 454 Harman Marine Chevrolet
Jacuzzi 12WJ/B
Place diverter
1963 Sanger Dragster 17'-10"
1958 392 Chrysler HEMI model 58C
Hall Craft v-drive and 71C 1:1 Velvet transmission
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BAE 557
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Bob,
Do you need a Hemi 1350 PTO?
If so, I have a brand new one with new bolts that I would like to part with.
-William
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Oldsquirt
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: 1958 392 HEMI |
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| napabob wrote: | .....There are services that will replace the ring gear if you provide the flywheel......
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Bob, any decent machine shop should be able to replace that ring gear if it needs a new one. Shouldn't cost more than about a 1/2 hour of labor time. It is actually a very easy task. |
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napabob
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napabob
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: 1958 392 CID HEMI flywheel ring gear |
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| Quote: | | Bob, any decent machine shop should be able to replace that ring gear if it needs a new one. Shouldn't cost more than about a 1/2 hour of labor time. It is actually a very easy task. |
Oldsquirt,
I read a blog on how to heat the ring gear and slip it off, it also said to reinstall it (the reverse) and to spot weld it in four places to keep it in place. I will use a machine shop to work on the flywheel if the teeth need to be repalced. The 172 tooth ring gear is about $60.00.
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1975 Spectra 18
1978 454 Harman Marine Chevrolet
Jacuzzi 12WJ/B
Place diverter
1963 Sanger Dragster 17'-10"
1958 392 Chrysler HEMI model 58C
Hall Craft v-drive and 71C 1:1 Velvet transmission |
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Oldsquirt
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: Ring Gear |
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The spot welds aren't necessary and I personally would be hesitant to put that much localized heat into the ring gear. The "shrink fit" should be sufficient in all but maybe the most severe operating conditions. I abused my poor Olds for nearly 20 years with no ring gear "slippage". I'll bet you will treat that Hemi with more respect than I showed my Olds.  |
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Heatseeker
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Oldsquirt is right. If you weld the gear on, you may be asking for trouble. If gear slippage became an issue, I'd use a few "dutchmans" (set screws drilled and tapped at the joint). That would eliminate any chance of slippage without compromising the strength and fit of the gear.
Just my $.02.
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BAE 557
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napabob
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: PTO |
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BAE 557,
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1978 454 Harman Marine Chevrolet
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